Minor league drafts and missed picks

[geoflin]

We still have 2 minor league drafts ongoing this morning. In each of them there is at least one owner who has missed multiple picks, holding up the entire draft. What if we were to say that an owner who has missed his previous pick gets half the time to make his next pick, thereby helping to move the draft along so the rest of the league doesn't have to wait another full 24 hours for what may well be another missed pick? Or if someone else has a different suggestion, let's throw around some ideas.

[popeye46]

I might even take a stronger stance, with the LA having discretion, in those situations. If an owner misses his pick after 24 hours, and the draft finally works its way around to him again without him making a selection, then the next team in line can make their selection without having to wait 24 hours or 12 hours. The manager who misses his selection has until the end of the draft to make all of his selections.

Now I would definitely try to reach out to that manager to see if there is a problem.

Be nice if we had everyone's phone numbers so that we could text them. Most everyone responds to texts.

ed

[geoflin]

Apr 7, 2023 17:06:22 GMT popeye46 said:

I might even take a stronger stance, with the LA having discretion, in those situations. If an owner misses his pick after 24 hours, and the draft finally works its way around to him again without him making a selection, then the next team in line can make their selection without having to wait 24 hours or 12 hours. The manager who misses his selection has until the end of the draft to make all of his selections.

I agree with this. But what do we do if an owner misses his pick, makes it before his next turn comes up, and then misses his pick again? The owners who have been late with picks this year have been late multiple times, sometimes making up their pick before their next one comes up and sometimes not.
As for phone numbers I have no problem providing mine, I wonder what others would say.

[popeye46]

Well maybe then we just need to state that each owner has 24 hours to make their first selection. If they miss the first 24 hour period, they don't get any time on future picks. They can make their selection anytime up to 24 hours after the last pick is made.



the numbers would have to be voluntary. And I would provide mine.


ed

[popeye46]

just trying to see how this would affect someone with multiple picks. Maybe the LA may have to dictate the pace. Someone makes their first round selection and then doesn't show up for their second round pick. 24 hours pass and that removes his clock on the next pick which could be in the third, fourth or fifth round. So his next pick is in the third round and he either makes his selection immediately or the next guy in line can make his selection.

Maybe we just change the rules to state that you get 24 hours to make your selection. If you don't make your first selection within the 24 hour period you give up the right for 24 hours on the remaining selections. They can make a selection anytime before the end of the draft on a first come first served basis.

Most of the managers are pretty up to date on taking care of their teams. But we do have a few that for whatever reason dont keep up.

[geoflin]

Apr 7, 2023 19:50:21 GMT popeye46 said:

Maybe we just change the rules to state that you get 24 hours to make your selection. If you don't make your first selection within the 24 hour period you give up the right for 24 hours on the remaining selections. They can make a selection anytime before the end of the draft on a first come first served basis.

Most of the managers are pretty up to date on taking care of their teams. But we do have a few that for whatever reason dont keep up.

Exactly. I think this year all but 2 or 3 owners have made timely picks. It doesn't seem fair to everyone else to have 2 or 3 people hold it all up. I can't think of a way to force them to send a list of their picks to the LA as is always an option but if they did so it would solve the problem. Nor is it fair to ask everybody to send such a list when there are only a few offenders.
Maybe your idea above could work provided they don't make any picks before their actual turn.
Or similarly, missing 1 pick is a pain to the rest of us but it happens. How about if an owner misses 2 picks he is then required to either send a list or is given no exclusive window for all of his remaining picks but must make them up after his turn or at the end?

[popeye46]

maybe the penalty for not picking within your prescribed 24 hour window is that you cannot make another pick until you do submit a list to the LA at which time the LA can enter your pick. That way the LA can enter those picks and the draft can proceed quicker.

[geoflin]

I think we need to allow owners 1 missed pick and have whatever rule we agree on kick in after the second missed pick. There have been instances this year where somebody misses 1 pick but doesn't miss again. S**t happens in all of our lives.
So how about after the second missed pick that owner is no longer given an exclusive window for further picks. He can send a list to the LA or he can make his picks any time after his turn comes up. The mechanics would be that if an owner misses 2 picks, when his 3rd pick comes up he would be tagged but at the same time the owner who picks after him would also be tagged and on the clock unless the LA has his list in which case the LA makes the pick for him. If he hasn't sent in his list he can pick at any time from the remaining players. It will be up to the LA to inform the owner who has missed picks what his options are after his 2nd missed pick.

[Weekend Warriors]

Apr 7, 2023 17:06:22 GMT popeye46 said:

I might even take a stronger stance, with the LA having discretion, in those situations. If an owner misses his pick after 24 hours, and the draft finally works its way around to him again without him making a selection, then the next team in line can make their selection without having to wait 24 hours or 12 hours. The manager who misses his selection has until the end of the draft to make all of his selections.

Now I would definitely try to reach out to that manager to see if there is a problem.

Be nice if we had everyone's phone numbers so that we could text them. Most everyone responds to texts.

ed

Wholeheartedly agree!

[geoflin]

I can't find anywhere in my profile on either Mocksports or OnRoto to enter a phone number. Anyone else know how to do it?

[Weekend Warriors]

Apr 9, 2023 17:24:30 GMT geoflin said:

I can't find anywhere in my profile on either Mocksports or OnRoto to enter a phone number. Anyone else know how to do it?

I think we would have to make a thread for just email addresses and phone numbers, but believe it would have to be voluntary.

[joeizzo]

We can also try to collect them as players renew each year.

[waters96]

So, we can’t ask anyway to publicly post a phone number. Perhaps email it to Joe. I am happy to fo this.

I suggest that everybody be given the option of sending a list to the LA., which is currently available to all. If somebody misses once, then picks come from the list with no additional waiting time for the missing owner. No list, no picks. We need to keep the drafts moving.

I understand we don’t want to punish people, but we need to maintain minimal standards for these leagues to work.

[popeye46]

I do like the idea of lists. It would be great if each team would submit a list prior to the regular draft taking place. Maybe we should begin the minor league draft first so that each league has sufficient time to complete them before the regular season starts. Hold the minor league drafts say two weeks before the scheduled league draft. It does get confusing running both drafts at the same time.

[geoflin]

I'm fine with the idea of everybody sending in lists but I think if we adopt it we need a good set of guidelines for when those lists get used as opposed to the owner making the selection himself. I know personally I sometimes change the order of players I want partway through the draft for various reasons - maybe I don't want to choose more than one or two players at the same position, etc. I agree with Bob's suggestion of no list, no picks for those who have missed a previous turn with the addition that an owner should always have the right to make up the picks himself from the remaining players before the draft ends.

I'd want to try any new idea we adopt here before we change the timing of the draft. I find myself busy enough preparing for the major league auctions in the 2 weeks ahead of them and would prefer not to have to be working on the minor league draft at the same time. I tend to be ready with enough choices in order to make my first pick when it comes up, then do my research and prep for the rest of my picks while the draft is ongoing.

Hopefully if we speed up the minor league draft process there will no longer be an issue. Bell took 7 days from first pick to last pick, Bob took 6 days, Sparky 8 days, Banks 8 days, Berra 11 days (with a 12 hour window rather than 24), Uecker 9 days, and Gibson 15 days (longer in part because 60 total picks rather than 50, a 20% increase, but still much too long). Clearly when owners cooperate it can be done in about 6-8 days which is 3-4 picks per day, not unreasonable. There are 5 or fewer owners who caused most of the delays. I think the onus of change should fall upon them, not the rest of us who have been timely.


There's another possible issue I want to point out. At first I wasn't getting a notification when I was tagged. I went to my profile and had to change the notification settings, then I started getting them. I wonder how many other people this applied to. Also, some owners when trying to tag others didn't use the correct name to tag so no notification would have been sent. I corrected the ones I noticed but I think both the LA's and anyone else who wants to help keep things moving could try to be more proactive to make sure the next owner in line gets notified.