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Post by shif on Mar 22, 2022 19:48:57 GMT
Brujan appeared in the AL for 26 at bats last year. Did that remove his prospect status?
He was activated by the Schmohawks and later reserved. Did the activation remove his prospect status?
He was traded to CC . I assume that did not change his status. He played 4 games at second and 4 in the outfield and 1 as dh. If he is no longer a prospect, for what what position is he eligible?
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Post by joeizzo on Mar 22, 2022 21:10:13 GMT
If he was activated then he is no longer eligible as a minor league freeze.
For position eligibility, since he didn't play 20 games in MLB, the next tiebreaker is position played the most in MLB. Since that was a tie, I think, we should look at last year in minors. He played 53 games in OF and 29 games at 2B amongst others. Therefore, I think he should be OF only for now until he qualifies in season for a new position.
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Post by shif on Mar 22, 2022 21:26:53 GMT
Very reasonable. If he had not been activated, how many at bats or innings pitched are needed to lose prospect status? I ask to assure we are all on the same page.
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Post by joeizzo on Mar 22, 2022 21:27:23 GMT
150AB/50IP
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Post by popeye46 on Mar 22, 2022 23:29:40 GMT
ok, did I see somewhere that to be nominated a player must have 1 AB or made a pitching appearance at the major league level since we are not using AVL lists anymore.
If that is the case, then any player who has appeared in the majors last year can be nominated, but if he has less than 150 AB or 50 IP he can retained on the minors roster.
Is that correct?
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Post by geoflin on Mar 22, 2022 23:55:03 GMT
It is 130 AB, not 150 AB. 50 IP is correct. I can't find where we had the discussion here but just looked up the MLB rules and I know we made them match.
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Post by shif on Mar 23, 2022 1:38:57 GMT
In response to Popeye, I think a prospect with under the cutoff at bats or innings pitched is eligible for the minor league draft, but not the main draft.
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Post by joeizzo on Mar 23, 2022 3:27:53 GMT
0 AB or IP = minor league freeze only or minor league draft eligible
1-130AB or 1-50 IP = May remain as a minor league freeze if not activated last year or can be major league freeze/topper if the owner wishes
>130AB or >50IP = must be major league freeze/topper
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Post by shif on Mar 23, 2022 11:50:40 GMT
Joe and Geoff
I agree with above, but Popeye says any player who has appeared in the majors last year can be nominated, but if he has less than 150 AB or 50 IP he can retained on the minors roster.
So take Brujan again. He has 26 at bats in the majors. Suppose he was not drafted in Bell last year. Suppose in another of our leagues he was drafted, but not frozen. Popeye says he can be nominated in the main draft; I worry that this unnecessarily diminishes the minor league pool. The Brujans of the world will be taken after midnight for a dollar instead of in the minor league draft. If we held the minor league draft first, I assume Brujan could be drafted. HQ in listing prospects lists Brujan as a prospect. I do not see why we should depart from standard practice.
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Post by shif on Mar 23, 2022 12:20:12 GMT
If the minor league draft were held first, would we want a player with only 26 mlb at bats to be draftable? If we did, we would be in sync with prospect lists readily available.
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Post by geoflin on Mar 23, 2022 13:05:26 GMT
I will be heading a committee to update the rules this year so we can continue this discussion and make any changes over the summer. I think we need to stick with what Joe posted above for this year, we'll never get more than a few of us to give their thoughts in time for the first auction on Friday, although that might still be the case later if history repeats.
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Post by shif on Mar 23, 2022 13:50:40 GMT
I agree with Joe's excellent summary, but it does not address the difference between Ed and I. It speaks of freezes and toppers. It says that a player with 0 at bats or innings pitched is minor league draft eligible. It does not say that the minor league draft is confined to such players and further says that players with fewer than 131 at bats can be kept as minor leaguers. I take your answer to be that only players with 0 at bats and 0 innings pitched are eligible this year for the minor league draft.
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Post by joeizzo on Mar 23, 2022 15:35:32 GMT
To answer your last sentence, yes.
It is spelled out in one of the threads out there that discusses minor league rules. It will be included in the rules doc once the rules committee updates it.
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Post by shif on Mar 23, 2022 17:37:06 GMT
Thanks Joe and Geoff
I agree that almost all of this can be found in the threads, but navigating that is not easy. I think this thread puts in one place a summary of important rules and practices that are related to each other which should save time and cut back on possible misunderstandings.
I appreciate that the rules summarized here might be modified next year.
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Post by geoflin on Mar 23, 2022 18:56:10 GMT
Steve, as you and I both mentioned above, navigating all of the various threads from over the years here trying to find a particular discussion is next to impossible. But that's what we're going to have to do to find all of the rules which were modified or instituted but not added to the current rules document unless our combined memories do the trick. So if you are looking around and find something related to rules changes please bookmark or make note of where it is so we can find it again.
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