Players traded out of the league

[toml]

Not sure I am for this. That is part of risk of NL and AL only leagues. That’s why there is mixed leagues out there

[chuck]

I don't like it, even though I have AJ Pollock and he got traded before the season even began.. It's going to open a can of worms that will lead to more rules. I don't even know all the current rules.
I might have to punch Joc.


Chuck

[Joe C]

Absolutely in favor of keeping stats for players that are traded to the other league - under a few conditions: 1) if you drop the player, he cannot be claimed by another team, 2) you can reserve/activate the player in case of injury like normal and 3) that player would not be eligible for keeper status next season if they remain in the "other" league. Probably in favor of that player not being eligible for a trade. With an interleague series happening every day now, I like AL/NL only leagues for the strategy and player depth - but feel that losing a player because of the team he gets traded to is a rather archaic rule. Now, can we talk about revising the noon eastern deadline for player transactions?

[randyspears]

I like the idea of keeping the stats from traded players. I think there is challenge enough in playing ONLY leagues, but it has always sucked to lose a player's stats completely when they are traded.

[chuck]

Jun 4, 2022 19:26:57 GMT Joe C said:

Absolutely in favor of keeping stats for players that are traded to the other league - under a few conditions: 1) if you drop the player, he cannot be claimed by another team, 2) you can reserve/activate the player in case of injury like normal and 3) that player would not be eligible for keeper status next season if they remain in the "other" league. Probably in favor of that player not being eligible for a trade. With an interleague series happening every day now, I like AL/NL only leagues for the strategy and player depth - but feel that losing a player because of the team he gets traded to is a rather archaic rule. Now, can we talk about revising the noon eastern deadline for player transactions?

And that is what I was talking about.  

Chuck

[shif]

I am only proposing that the stats still count when a player is traded to another league just as they count when a player is traded within the league. I am not proposing anything broader than that. To count the stats of the player is not to change any other rule. Geoff asks if this means whether I am suggesting that the rules involving players traded into the league would be affected (I say no). Geoff says there are implications either way. I am curious what they might be. Others say that to adopt this would turn a league into a mixed league. It seems to me that the difference between a mixed league and a league allowing the counting of stats in another league of a player traded into the other league is obvious. Again the Tout Wars leagues understand the distinction. Some here point to the "strategy" undercut by the proposal. I recognize that, but the guessing who will be traded and where is more luck than skill. We won't miss much by losing that bit of strategy though I admit there is a loss. Some find this "strange." To that, I say that an epithet is not an argument. Finally, as I said earlier, do not say this is a risk you sign up for by joining an AL or an NL league; we are debating what the risks should be and the current rule has demoralizing effects that we do not need to have a flourishing game.

[jon7]

In an AL only league I think traded players to the NL are gone. ON the other hand some teams get the bonus of a NL player traded to the AL.

Jon

[geoflin]

If we stopped allowing players traded into the league to be free agents subject to FAAB that would have implications for how we all use FAAB dollars as there would be no need to save any for the trading deadline. It would also decrease the total player pool for each league.
If we do allow players traded into the league to become free agents we are allowing them to be owned and have their stats counted in both leagues even though they play in only one and we are opening up the possibility that Koufax suggested for an owner to benefit from keeping his own traded player as well as adding his replacement. We're different from Tout Wars in that many owners here have teams in both leagues. I don't like the idea of an owner here having the same player in both leagues. A player traded post-auction but pre-season like Manaea, Rogers, Pollock, etc. this year could actually be drafted and have his stats count for the entire year in both leagues, possibly by the same owner.

[shif]

"If we do allow players traded into the league to become free agents we are allowing them to be owned and have their stats counted in both leagues even though they play in only one." True
"we are opening up the possibility that Koufax suggested for an owner to benefit from keeping his own traded player as well as adding his replacement." We do this when a player is traded into the same league, and everyone has a chance to secure his replacement unless he is already owned.

"We're different from Tout Wars in that many owners here have teams in both leagues." This is a distinction without a difference.
"I don't like the idea of an owner here having the same player in both leagues. A player traded post-auction but pre-season like Manaea, Rogers, Pollock, etc. this year could actually be drafted and have his stats count for the entire year in both leagues, possibly by the same owner." I don't follow this. The player could not be drafted if it was post auction except in a different league. I would treat players traded out of the league the same way we treat players traded inside the league.

[geoflin]

Given the votes so far I don't think this proposal is likely to pass. What I was referring to with this year's spring trades was that they occurred during the drafts. The players I mentioned were drafted in both AL and NL Mocksports leagues because, using Maneaea and Rogers as examples, they were part of early-week drafts in some AL-only leagues, then traded to the NL, and thus part of late-week drafts in some NL-only leagues. And in the leagues which had already drafted they were subject to FAAB when traded into the league so have in fact been rostered all year by owners in both AL and NL-only leagues although reserved in the AL leagues. If this proposal passes then future similar situations would allow for stats counting for the full season in both AL and NL-only leagues for the same player.

[shif]

Geoff, I agree: it's not likely to pass.

[pirate]

I don't understand you guys who don't support the change. It's 2022 for god's sake. I've been playing this game for almost 40 years. As soon as it became practical for stats to be tracked by a player traded to the other league the leagues I was in started doing it. I was shocked when I discovered that these leagues don't do. To me it's just a natural progression of the game. It's bad enough when you're penalized due to a key player being hurt you shouldn't also be penalized by a trade that is totally unpredictable. Come on people get with it and change the darn rule.

[geoflin]

Jun 7, 2022 20:04:53 GMT pirate said:

I don't understand you guys who don't support the change. It's 2022 for god's sake. I've been playing this game for almost 40 years. As soon as it became practical for stats to be tracked by a player traded to the other league the leagues I was in started doing it. I was shocked when I discovered that these leagues don't do. To me it's just a natural progression of the game. It's bad enough when you're penalized due to a key player being hurt you shouldn't also be penalized by a trade that is totally unpredictable. Come on people get with it and change the darn rule.

It was always possible, although difficult, to track stats for any player in either league. I've been playing fantasy baseball since 1981 when it was invented (actually invented in 1980 and written about over the winter, we started in spring 1981). When our first league began I kept all the stats, daily, by hand, by looking at box scores in the newspaper and counting because there was no other way, at least that we were aware of. We eventually moved on line but never changed that particular rule, in fact nobody ever suggested that we do so. We always considered a player being traded to the other league as a risk you take and I always tried to consider that possibility when drafting. It was never a question of practicality, it's always been a question of what rules do we want to play under. I've never played using that rule and hope I never do. The fact is, as somebody mentioned above, the odds are 9 out of 10 that a player traded out of the league will be on somebody else's team. Of course that doesn't help the 10th time when it's one of your players.

[geoff]

Next year "AL and NL" loses all historical meaning with a balanced schedule and universal DH. The only unique quality is that one league may have more talented players in it than the other and that is not unique by design. Having an AL only league is no more unique than choosing 15 random MLB teams that make up a fantasy player universe so a players stats are more consistent than they have ever been when switching leagues in a trade.

[geoflin]

With a 17-8 vote against this question has failed. No rule change will occur.