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Post by shif on Apr 16, 2022 16:18:14 GMT
All of the Tout Wars leagues permit an owner to enjoy the stats of a player traded in or out of the league. Why shouldn't we do the same? In the past, supporters of the current regime say it's more like real life. I say so what. It makes our game less enjoyable.
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Post by popeye46 on Apr 16, 2022 16:54:26 GMT
I kind of agree with Shif. How many of us have had our seasons tanked due to a player traded out of the league. I know I have on more than once occasion. We need to make these leagues more attractive to prospective new owners and this is one change that might help in that regard.
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Post by geoflin on Apr 20, 2022 18:50:55 GMT
I've been hoping more people would weigh in on this but it doesn't seem like that's going to happen any time soon. I'm on the fence but I think I would prefer to keep things the way they are. The risk of a player being traded out of the league and losing his stats for the rest of the year is part of what we all sign up for when we play in an -only league. I do take that possibility into account with certain players prior to the auction, particularly those in the final year of their contracts and this year any of the Oakland pitchers, and lower their value accordingly. I've been hurt in the past by losing players to the other league but I've also been helped when it's another owner I'm in a close race with who loses a player. So I could live with changing the rule but I like it the way it is.
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Post by joeizzo on Apr 20, 2022 20:01:34 GMT
I agree that is part of the risk of doing an only league. Seems like whenever I have a player that gets traded it was someone I was going to freeze for a couple of years so getting this stats for the rest of the current year would have only been a temporary fix.
We do have a mixed league for those that are risk averse that we could add some expansion teams to next year since we only have 12 teams this year.
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Post by tomfool on Apr 21, 2022 1:53:43 GMT
I like it the way it is. The AL/NL only leagues here are what make it unique to me and why I am here. Doesn't make sense to me to keep a traded player's ongoing stats in another league; letting NL stats count in AL leagues or vice versa. I agree the Gibson Mixed league is the solution there and maybe start another mixed league next year if there really are more people wanting to keep their guys' stats no matter which league they are in.
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Post by shif on Apr 23, 2022 1:26:24 GMT
It is a risk only if the rule makes it a risk. It is not a risk in many AL leagues including Tout Wars leagues.
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Post by mikemanolakes on Apr 26, 2022 0:25:30 GMT
I'm for keeping the rules as they are. Of course it sucks to lose a player to the other league, but nine times out of ten it's happening to someone else's team instead of mine. I like to think of a trade possibility as a great equalizer -- no matter how good of a roster someone puts together at the beginning of the season, there's always a good chance some of those players won't be available by year's end. Interleague trades keep the hope alive that anyone has a chance to move up the standings and challenge the leaders.
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Post by geoflin on Jun 2, 2022 20:10:06 GMT
The Rules Committee is looking at this now. Steve, since you proposed it, I have a question. If we allow owners to keep the stats of players traded out of the league, what happens to players traded into the league? Do they still become free agents subject to FAAB in their new league in addition to being owned in their old league? I think there are ramifications whether the answer to this is either yes or no.
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Post by jumpngeorge on Jun 2, 2022 21:27:53 GMT
I’m in favor of letting the stats of traded player count. We put a lot of thought into our teams. Injuries we can’t really do anything about, but players traded between leagues are a problem only because the rules make them a problem. I say let the stats count for the season, but such players can’t be traded and certainly not frozen the next season
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Post by Weekend Warriors on Jun 3, 2022 1:14:06 GMT
I am against keeping stats of traded players. I feel that it brings an added level of competition and risk to the leagues. You have to be aware of who could be traded from their respective MLB teams during the draft. You have to know that a quality hitter or pitcher on a rebuilding team has a chance to be traded and you have to evaluate that risk.
If we want the stats to count, then we should just make all Mocksports Leagues the mixed version and do away with league specific.
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by popeye46 on Jun 3, 2022 14:23:05 GMT
and I am against keeping stats of traded players. And I am against allowing a player to be picked up in the event that the traded player goes on the dl.
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Post by waters96 on Jun 3, 2022 14:43:21 GMT
I like it the way it is, but It wouldn’t totally wreck the game for me if we changed the rule. For example, this year I got screwed when Taylor Rogers got traded to the other league, but then I was able to claim him in FAAB in the NL. Then I was able to fix the AL team with good waiver wire pickups, including Pagan and Duran. So in this one case, it made both leagues better and more exciting. So I would vote not to change the rule. I agree with Geoff the question of whether to count the stats of players traded into the league is also a problem. It would be strange to have those players stats to be counted in both leagues.
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Post by koufax96 on Jun 3, 2022 20:00:01 GMT
I hate it when one of my players get traded to the other league, but I'd nonetheless strongly urge us to keep things the way they currently are. (And we do get to keep the traded player, just not on the active roster. And If the player leaves his new team and returns to his old league prior to the following year's draft then you get to activate him again.) But changing the rules would also lead to other strange rulings. Could I add further to my player pool by also picking up the player my player was traded for using my FAAB bid? Could I trade the player to another team in my league who is in contention?
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Post by chaze on Jun 3, 2022 20:13:23 GMT
In my first trip through the BOB AL 25 years ago (gulp), I was in first and looking like I would be hard to beat when the A's traded Mark McGwire to St. Louis for a trio of essentially useless pitchers at the trade deadline. As I recall, I ended up falling about 10 taters short of finishing in first. We'll never know if McGwire would have hit 10 more for Oakland that year, but we do know he hit 24 for the Cards. That is the most dramatic personal example I have, but it was extremely frustrating to have my season wrecked for a decision I didn't make.
Chas. E.
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Post by chuck on Jun 3, 2022 21:22:19 GMT
In my first trip through the BOB AL 25 years ago (gulp), I was in first and looking like I would be hard to beat when the A's traded Mark McGwire to St. Louis for a trio of essentially useless pitchers at the trade deadline. As I recall, I ended up falling about 10 taters short of finishing in first. We'll never know if McGwire would have hit 10 more for Oakland that year, but we do know he hit 24 for the Cards. That is the most dramatic personal example I have, but it was extremely frustrating to have my season wrecked for a decision I didn't make. Chas. E. All McGwire's HR's should be deleted retroactively. Chuck
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