Poll - should we change our minor league roster rules

[geoflin]

Feb 28, 2024 1:40:51 GMT jumpngeorge said:

I voted to keep the same rules, but in part because I believe it will change other parts of the game in unexpected ways. If we expand minor league rosters, we should cut Faab for example. With another 50 minor leaguers tied up we’re probably only using Faab for inter league trades. As to roster replenishment… you not have to make Neely drafted players unavailable, but you might also want to take minor leaguers traded to the other league out of the pool.

I also disagree with this. Changing the number of minor leaguers we draft doesn't change the fact that we will continue to waive major leaguers who will then be subject to FAAB, as will undrafted major leaguers who come off the IL or start the year in the minors and get promoted.

[geoflin]

Mar 2, 2024 16:22:46 GMT shoelessjoe said:

Geoff, I suggest that if minor-league rosters are expanded that the A5 through E1 be dumped so that the value of all minors are similar ... I suggest $1. Has seemed odd that just because a player is selected first, he is the most expensive.

We can discuss this in the rules committee but I doubt it's going to happen for this year, we just don't have time. I think that decision would have to be made before frozen rosters as it could affect whether or not some minor leaguers get frozen - for example, I might not freeze a player for $5 but might if he were $1. Also, I think we would have to keep at least the letter designations to determine the order of picks. If I promote my first pick to the majors during the season, that should mean I get a pick in the following year's draft before an owner who still has and freezes his first pick.

[pirate]

This proposal is a joke right? I cannot believe we are even talking about this let alone actually considering it. I have trouble coming up with 5 minor league players let alone 10. Instead of talking about something that could really be effective, you know reserve rosters, we're wasting time talking about minor leaguers I mean that would be 100 minor leaguers in most of the leagues and like 140 in the Gibson league. All for what? Someone gets lucky and picks up a single A player who turns out to be a stud in a few years. I just don't get it.

[tomfool]

I changed my vote to no change. I don't want to risk any re-vote for an increase to ten. I only wanted roster replenishment. Clearly an expansion of minors to 10 is in the minority

[shoelessjoe]

Mar 2, 2024 22:02:06 GMT pirate said:

This proposal is a joke right? I cannot believe we are even talking about this let alone actually considering it. I have trouble coming up with 5 minor league players let alone 10. Instead of talking about something that could really be effective, you know reserve rosters, we're wasting time talking about minor leaguers I mean that would be 100 minor leaguers in most of the leagues and like 140 in the Gibson league. All for what? Someone gets lucky and picks up a single A player who turns out to be a stud in a few years. I just don't get it.

Sorry you feel this way -- both you Pirate and Tom and the other naysayers too lazy to learn something new. 
Clearly, you're out of touch with contemporary fantasy baseball formats. 
The Athletic, the national sports daily owned by the New York Times, offers scouting reports on 20+ minor leaguers for every MLB team accompanying its annual top 100 prospects list with all sorts of side stories on promising young players just out of range.
Baseball America, the voice of baseball from amateur through the pros, expanded its coverage of fantasy ball by supplementing its annual survey of each team's 30 top prospects with stories about those in the complex leagues, winter leagues and the Hispanic professional leagues.
FanTrax, the leading purveyor of fantasy baseball, has a data base of more than 3,500 professional players. 
Many Yahoo leagues have implemented farm teams of at least 10 with others linking to Google spreadsheets with 25 and more. I have been a member since 2018 of a league that has unlimited minors. I'll be finishing the annual 15-round draft with a few shy of 70, which doesn't approach the current leader with nearly 100. 
What I learned through this immersion in the game is that these leagues reach a much younger audience. Younger players like the chance to draft their former high school or favorite college players that signed MLB contracts. They are excited by the game's trend to much younger players leaping into the spotlight. For most of these folks, players over 30 are a nuisance. Imagine what they would think of us. 
But going 100, even 140 deep isn't a strain on anybody but old farts who couldn't calculate OPS without an instruction guide. 
And that's why this group will eventually go the way of the dinosaur and Andy Griffith Show.
I'm not apologizing if you feel "insulted." Maybe it's time to pay forward all the fun we've had for decades in MockSports. Leave a legacy that might make the founders proud rather than let a game of such promise go stale and blow away. 

[geoflin]

Mar 2, 2024 22:02:06 GMT pirate said:

Instead of talking about something that could really be effective

Both Ed and I suggested you start an Ultra league here and Joe said he'd support it. You never responded.

[tomfool]

Mar 3, 2024 16:39:21 GMT shoelessjoe said:

Mar 2, 2024 22:02:06 GMT pirate said:

This proposal is a joke right? I cannot believe we are even talking about this let alone actually considering it. I have trouble coming up with 5 minor league players let alone 10. Instead of talking about something that could really be effective, you know reserve rosters, we're wasting time talking about minor leaguers I mean that would be 100 minor leaguers in most of the leagues and like 140 in the Gibson league. All for what? Someone gets lucky and picks up a single A player who turns out to be a stud in a few years. I just don't get it.

Sorry you feel this way -- both you Pirate and Tom and the other naysayers too lazy to learn something new. 
Clearly, you're out of touch with contemporary fantasy baseball formats. 
The Athletic, the national sports daily owned by the New York Times, offers scouting reports on 20+ minor leaguers for every MLB team accompanying its annual top 100 prospects list with all sorts of side stories on promising young players just out of range.
Baseball America, the voice of baseball from amateur through the pros, expanded its coverage of fantasy ball by supplementing its annual survey of each team's 30 top prospects with stories about those in the complex leagues, winter leagues and the Hispanic professional leagues.
FanTrax, the leading purveyor of fantasy baseball, has a data base of more than 3,500 professional players. 
Many Yahoo leagues have implemented farm teams of at least 10 with others linking to Google spreadsheets with 25 and more. I have been a member since 2018 of a league that has unlimited minors. I'll be finishing the annual 15-round draft with a few shy of 70, which doesn't approach the current leader with nearly 100. 
What I learned through this immersion in the game is that these leagues reach a much younger audience. Younger players like the chance to draft their former high school or favorite college players that signed MLB contracts. They are excited by the game's trend to much younger players leaping into the spotlight. For most of these folks, players over 30 are a nuisance. Imagine what they would think of us. 
But going 100, even 140 deep isn't a strain on anybody but old farts who couldn't calculate OPS without an instruction guide. 
And that's why this group will eventually go the way of the dinosaur and Andy Griffith Show.
I'm not apologizing if you feel "insulted." Maybe it's time to pay forward all the fun we've had for decades in MockSports. Leave a legacy that might make the founders proud rather than let a game of such promise go stale and blow away. 


I'm too lazy to make a long, informed response to all this

[shoelessjoe]

Mar 3, 2024 18:48:29 GMT geoflin said:

Mar 2, 2024 22:02:06 GMT pirate said:

Instead of talking about something that could really be effective

Both Ed and I suggested you start an Ultra league here and Joe said he'd support it. You never responded.

Don't begin to know how an "ultra" league differs from a simple "dynasty" league. This isn't an attempt to revolutionize Mocksports leagues, just infuse a bit of energy into the old game.
Frankly, I hoped the simple proposal of adding of five minor leaguers to breeze with minor harrumphs from the geezers. It wasn't a game-changer by any stretch of imagination nor is it an obstacle to enjoying this game. Or at least I thought. I was wrong.
And I am saddened by the inevitability. 

[jumpngeorge]

I’ll stick I said. If have 100 minor leaguers on our roster, fewer newly available free agents be available to bid on. If you double the farm, cut FAAB

[geoflin]

There are 13 votes for no change and 11 votes for change. There will be no change to the minor league roster rules for this year. The discussion could continue if there are enough owners who want to try to make a change for next year.